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Generals, Lords and CIA agree: Drones are bad

Posted by Dana -

Wed, Jul 8, 2009

Afghanistan, Pakistan: No More Drones!

•    House Armed Services Committee had recently heard testimony from David Kilcullen–a former adviser to General David Petraeus–who believes the drone attacks take too many civilian lives. Kilcullen testified that while drone attacks are suspected to have killed 14 Al-Qaeda leaders since 2006 in Pakistan, at the same time the weapons have killed about 700 civilians–a 50:1 ratio of innocent victims to targeted enemies.

“We need to call off the drones,” Kilcullen said.

“I realize that they do damage to the Al Qaeda leadership,” he told the House Armed Services Committee. But that, he said, was not enough to justify the program. “Since 2006, we’ve killed 14 senior Al Qaeda leaders using drone strikes; in the same time period, we’ve killed 700 Pakistani civilians in the same area. The drone strikes are highly unpopular. They are deeply aggravating to the population. And they’ve given rise to a feeling of anger that coalesces the population around the extremists and leads to spikes of extremism. … The current path that we are on is leading us to loss of Pakistani government control over its own population.”

“There are other ways to do it.”

Kilcullen is a former Australian army officer who served in Iraq as a top advisor to U.S. Army Gen. David H. Petraeus. Full article here

•    Lord Bingham, until last year the senior law lord (Britain), said that some weapons were so “cruel as to be beyond the pale of human tolerance”.

“Are there, for example, and this goes to conflict, not post-conflict situations, weapons that ought to be outlawed? From time to time in the history of international law various weapons have been thought to be so cruel as to be beyond the pale of human tolerance. I think cluster bombs and landmines are the most recent examples.
“It may be – I’m not expressing a view – that unmanned drones that fall on a house full of civilians is a weapon the international community should decide should not be used.”

Source: Remarks to the British Institute of International and Comparative Law in an interview
Full article here
PDF Transcript here

•    Unless we come up with a coherent Pakistan policy, then nothing works,” said Milton Bearden, who as C.I.A. station chief in Islamabad once led the agency’s campaign to arm Afghan mujahedeen against the Soviet Union.
“If courage is the coin of the realm, then courage is what proves to the local Pashtun tribes that you are their allies,” he said.

But Pakistan is different, Mr. Jones said. In the northwest, where Al Qaeda’s leaders are now based, he sees little hope that the drones alone can address the core problem, which he says is militancy already strong among local residents. So continued strikes there, he said, may mean only more trouble and instability for Pakistan.

“You don’t clear territory, you don’t hold territory, and you don’t undermine Al Qaeda’s support base with Predator strikes alone,” he said.
Full article here

•    The new American commander in Afghanistan, General McChrystal, said he would sharply restrict the use of airstrikes here, in an effort to reduce the civilian deaths that he said were undermining the American-led mission.

“Air power contains the seeds of our own destruction if we do not use it responsibly. We can lose this fight,” General McChrystal told a group of his senior officers during a videoconference last week.
“When we shoot into a compound, that should only be for the protection of our forces. I want everyone to understand that,” he said. – General McChrystal, American Comander in Afghanistan
Full article here

•    “It has been … [our stance] that drone attacks are a violation of Pakistan’s sovereignty and must be stopped. We are in regular contact with the US and our concerns over recent strikes have been put across strongly,” said the spokesman, adding that Pakistan’s own law-enforcement operations were “proceeding satisfactorily”. –Pakistani Governmnet spokesperson
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  • wildthing

    Drones raining Hellfire and Damnation missiles on mud hutted natives is an ungodly abombination by a nstion that puts all it’s trust in bombs. Bombs amd mines are still exploding in SE Asia killing and maiming innocent civilians. Imagine being a farmer that faces death when go go out to till the soil???

  • wildthing

    I’d rather see pinktanks than thinktanks who believe in war as a solution to the world’s problems, war is a false profit!!
    I’d rather have pinkpoodles than puddles of blood…i’d rather see mankind balancing body and mind instead of being so unkind!!!
    I’ve even heard of hurds of turtles jumping huddles to get away from wars!! In war blood never reigns but what it pours…

  • http://myspace.com/jimmythep007 Jimmy

    I heard they did research and found out these drone things are actually Sarah Palin in a helicopter!

  • http://www.vandenbergwitness.com MacGregor Eddy

    There will be a test launch of an ICBM hair trigger ( thus called Minuteman III ) high alert nuclear weapons delivery system test at VANDBENBERG AIR FORCE BASE near Lompoc CA.
    The launch will be in the middle of the NIGHT of August 22/23 .
    August is Nuclear Free Future month, for peace sake! It will land in the Marshall Islands, on the once lovely coral atoll of Kwajalein. this sucks.

    Want to join the protest? call me 831 206 5043 or email macgregoreddy@gmail.com

  • HighWitness

    Pelosi said it best.
    “jobs, jobs, jobs, and jobs. Let’s vote for jobs.” “Impeachment is off the Table.”

    Drones are jobs.

    I live in Maine and any jobs we can get we will take.

    Anti War Rally Portland Maine Nov-06-2009
    Herb Hoffman and guests. (Code Pink Drone signs and information.)
    http://highwitnessnews.blogspot.com/2009/11/portland-maine-anti-war-11062009_07.html
    choose video 3 on the play list to hear the anti drone portion of the rally.

  • http://codepink4peace.org/blog/2009/12/codepink-poses-important-question-at-drones-expo/ CODEPINK poses important question at Drones Expo | PINKtank

    [...] The Lt Gen. stated this is a very good question – 3 times! He stepped off the stage away from the podium and the microphone and started pacing the stage area. He was probably thinking: YIKES what do I say? Holy smokes I don’t know what to say!!  He said, “The Taliban is what is shooting and killing people and DRONES are PRECISE! Drones aren’t killing civilians!”  Unfortunately, he is wrong.  Even David Kilcullen – a former advisor to Gen. David Petraeus – testified before Congress that drones kill 50 civilians for every 1 “target.” [...]

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